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roosterboy
Demi-Precentor Mu/Psi I Site MaintenancePosts: 16266 He casts no shadow for he IS the shadow.  
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With the final approval going through on 03/21, Asteroid 165612 shall henceforth be known as... Stackpole!
I kid you not.
Stackpole's blog entry about it: A singular honor
Blog entry from the guy who submitted the name: Michael Stackpole and (165612) Stackpole
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Vandal
Captain Posts: 2745 Say 'Hello' to Pinky and her big gun
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And watch this be the asteroid that a 1000 years from now is knocked out of the belt and hurtles towards earth, ultimately destroying it*
* providing that Stackpole is actually big enough to do the job
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Oberst Amalric Schieber, BNC-4S Banshee
Captain Karl-Mattheus Abele, Hauberk Battle Armor
Lt. [SG] Dimitri Kalinsky, MAD-7L Marauder
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Pegasus Flight and Crew, TR-13 Transgressors
Major Sten 'Steelfang' Borge, GTL-3T Gauntlet
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a gun. And if that doesn’t work, use more guns.
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Arkansas Warrior
Lieutenant Colonel Posts: 8064 Men fight most fiercely in defense of their Home.
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moparmessiah
Lieutenant General Posts: 28808 Pimpin' Mopar Goodness Since The Dawn Of Time
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You'd have to eat 124 bowls of Rage to get the Cajones in one bowl of MoparMessiah.... - Wombat FRR - 1st Tyr  Avatar by Doug G. (uber Dude) 
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munniec
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Auren
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Falchion
Lieutenant Colonel Posts: 8552 Aloha! This Avatar is Currently Under Construction
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Cool, although it might have been more appropriate to call it 'Herb'...  |
Him who mountain crush him no Him who sun him stop him no Him who hammer him break him no Him who fire him fear him no Him who raise him head above him heart Him Falchion. With this bill, Russia is outlawed forever. We commence bombing in five minutes. -Ronald Reagan on live broadcast "I feel a great disturbance in the farce, as if a million catgirls meowed in terror then were suddenly silenced"
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Neko_Bijin
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Lore
Lieutenant Colonel Posts: 10579 Live from the Coronation of Chancellor Starscream
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Cool, although it might have been more appropriate to call it 'Herb'...
"Erinyes" would be a fitting alternative too. 
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Mystic
Lieutenant Colonel Posts: 6628 Use the WHAT?
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Lootbag Commando Catalyst Demo TeamPosts: 7870
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Klingon
Major Posts: 5311 FGC Clan GM/Solaris VII GM
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And watch this be the asteroid that a 1000 years from now is knocked out of the belt and hurtles towards earth, ultimately destroying it*
* providing that Stackpole is actually big enough to do the job
j/k
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Characters: Sol VII campaign: Peter Metcalf of the Silver Dragons; Edward Key, attorney at law. "That which does not kill me, had better run quickly."(Shepherd Book): "Mal, if you take sexual advantage of that girl, you're going to a special kind of Hell. The kind they reserve for child molesters, and people who talk in theaters." (Serenity Captain, Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds, less than 10 minutes later): "Awwww, I'm going to a special kind of Hell..." "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" "Grasshopper, the three secrets of life are as follows: first, keep your eyes and ears open; second: don't tell everything you know."  Them:"You realize you won't get into the Kingdom of Heaven if you play that game." Me: "Are you gonna be there?" Them: "Of course." Me: "Then I find this arrangement satisfactory."
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Carnivorous Bean
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And "Stackpole" will yet again, become a verb.
One that's used only briefly, though.  |
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I am Belch
Captain Posts: 2888 Space is where they play.
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| Wow, now we know what the WoB's superweapon is, and where it is. What a honor to have a asteroid named after you. |
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Sadly, artificial intelligence will probably never be a match for natural stupidity!
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Klingon
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One that's used only briefly, though.
"Associated with massively catastrophic explosions" is not quite something I'd like my epitaph to read, even if there's no one around to read it...  |
Characters: Sol VII campaign: Peter Metcalf of the Silver Dragons; Edward Key, attorney at law. "That which does not kill me, had better run quickly."(Shepherd Book): "Mal, if you take sexual advantage of that girl, you're going to a special kind of Hell. The kind they reserve for child molesters, and people who talk in theaters." (Serenity Captain, Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds, less than 10 minutes later): "Awwww, I'm going to a special kind of Hell..." "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" "Grasshopper, the three secrets of life are as follows: first, keep your eyes and ears open; second: don't tell everything you know." Them:"You realize you won't get into the Kingdom of Heaven if you play that game." Me: "Are you gonna be there?" Them: "Of course." Me: "Then I find this arrangement satisfactory."
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Max Francis Vard
Captain Posts: 2789 In a perfect world, 'scruffy' rhymes with 'Wobbie'
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| Certainly, the man deserves it. Glad to hear about well-placed recognition, however unexpectedly it comes about. |
Find me on myspace and xanga.  Just because you filled in the holes in canon with your imagination doesn't mean that TPTB intended it to be the way you saw it.
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Von Jankmon
Major Posts: 5830 Jade Falcon: Less evil, not the lesser of evils
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Everyone is entitled to my opinions.  It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
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Max Francis Vard
Captain Posts: 2789 In a perfect world, 'scruffy' rhymes with 'Wobbie'
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Because there is a world outside of Battletech. During the outcry caused Mazes and Monsters (Tom Hanks you owed us Forrest Gump!) Michael Stackpole was one of the voices standing up for the gaming community as a whole versus panicked (if well-meaning) parents and fearmongers of the day.
Unbeknownst to me, these days he acts as a voice of rationality in the media(I only found that out after I clicked the link in the first post).
My fondest dream is that he gets to debate Jack Thompson on life TV one day and Jack Thompon's head simply explodes. 
Also; he wrote The Warrior Trilogy, Grave Covenant, Bred for War, and a few other Battletech books of note. |
Find me on myspace and xanga. Just because you filled in the holes in canon with your imagination doesn't mean that TPTB intended it to be the way you saw it.
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Von Jankmon
Major Posts: 5830 Jade Falcon: Less evil, not the lesser of evils
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Because there is a world outside of Battletech. During the outcry caused Mazes and Monsters (Tom Hanks you owed us Forrest Gump!) Michael Stackpole was one of the voices standing up for the gaming community as a whole versus panicked (if well-meaning) parents and fearmongers of the day.
The Pulling Report didnt actually address the issues, it was primarily a mud rake against Pat Pulling. Fighting hysteria with hysteria is not exactly creditable. Its a shame that people keep coming back to this document as a form of defence of our hobbies. It is not. The basic defence outlined by Pulling Report and by RPG producers at the time was 'its all in your head' nothing bad happens. Then when it was proven that occassionally something bad does happen they changed track to a more reasonable but no less accusatory 'we disown the nutters in the hobby'. For a case in point look at the disclaimers White Wolf puts in their game books, it changed from something on the lines of 'if you think thes can unduly influence anyone who are deranged' to (almost quoting) 'if this have troubles distinguisghing this work from reality, put the book down and seek professional help'.
Admittedly the most notorious case, the Vampire murders, which were undoubtably directly influenced by White Wolf games occured after Pulling Report, but there were cases beforehand - blanket denied by the hobby community. FYI the murders were the cause of Whitre Wolf changing its disclaimer.
What should have happened, and still hasn't occured is to address the issue logically rather than laugh at the concerns of religious groups, preferably by someone who understand both gaming and the theologies behind the fears. This way when extremists do emerge they can be seperated logically in the same manner that aberrant individuals are disowned in other hobby circles.
There are very few cases of disturbed individuals taking any hobby too far, and frankly most people who have problems with RPG's actually acknowledge this. There are a lot of people with religious views, and only a very tiny proportion believe that all gamers are possessed or some such. There are rather fewer gamers, but again a very tiny proportion actually have gone and mugged people to gain exp. Maybe the proportions are not too dissimilar.
Just as an example I got from my rodent loving forums: The other day I heard of some falconers who stole a pet as bait for their hawk, holding it up before their bird. Falconers in general were not blamed, it is well known that, honest and upright falconry abhors such actions, because they have a code, they profess their views and hobby openly. Some think it inherently cruel anyway to hawk, and most rodent keepers are of that frame of mind but noone considered that real falconers would act with such distain for animals, they may not be agreed with by they are understood.
Now translate that to the 'controversy' surrounding RPG's. Has any defence of the hobby been presented to the community and religious community at large? No, effectively all the self appointed spokesmen for the hobby have done is to metaphorically speaking give 'the finger' to the hobbies critics. Somehow we are expected to wonder why the criticism is still there.
I dont credit Stackpole as much of a writer either, love the background though I do I know I am not alone in this here. Thats not a problem, but to honour someone for mudraking/whitewash irks me more than a little. |
Everyone is entitled to my opinions. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
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Max Francis Vard
Captain Posts: 2789 In a perfect world, 'scruffy' rhymes with 'Wobbie'
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Von Jankmon
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That works both ways sir.
At least I have a 'why' rather than just a take. |
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JediBear
Colonel Posts: 13632 Some days the Bear gets banned.
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The Pulling Report didnt actually address the issues, it was primarily a mud rake against Pat Pulling.
It was an intensive fact-based takedown of Pat Pulling, since vanished from the public eye.
That one of gaming's most visible critics had essentially no credentials at all for that criticism was not a nonissue.
The status of the debate remains at "There's no evidence" and "There's no problem."
The Pulling Report aside, Michael Stackpole is a notable writer and a noted skeptic.
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Max Francis Vard
Captain Posts: 2789 In a perfect world, 'scruffy' rhymes with 'Wobbie'
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At least I have a 'why' rather than just a take.
I'm not going to turn this thread into a debate about Mike Stackpole that's bound to get locked by arguing with you.
But since JediBear is going to do it, and far better than I could ever hope to, I will watch. |
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Von Jankmon
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Lets continue to keep this civil, rational and non personal.
It was an intensive fact-based takedown of Pat Pulling, since vanished from the public eye.
That one of gaming's most visible critics had essentially no credentials at all for that criticism was not a nonissue.
'Fact based takedown' is just a spindoctors way of saying mudrake. At the core its still: attack the person, not the issues.
Also the attack on Pullings credentials were based on Pullings lack of official certification, something we also lack. There is no degree on RPG's, Pullings personal experiences and observations are therefore as valid as yours mine or Stackpoles, at least on face value.
This goes back to the premise that you should attack the arguements, not the person.
The status of the debate remains at "There's no evidence" and "There's no problem."
That is where you are categorically wrong. The fact that there have been cases of young people commiting serious crimes while enacting fantasies directly and clearly influenced by a role playing game. Now admittedly this is extremely rare and no reason to build an anti gaming arguement, but conversely it also means that the gaming community cannot rely on a 'no evidence' and 'no problem' defence; because it just is not true. The head in the sand approach only reduces our credibility.
Denial of itself would not be too big a problem, because most of the time there is no problem. But a blanket denial plus a good proportion of dirt digging into the background of critics of gaming makes for a very poor moral stance and not one likely to influence expect by entrenching views of those who are already personally biased against churches and other organisations with members concerned about gaming.
The Pulling Report aside, Michael Stackpole is a notable writer and a noted skeptic.
Fair enough point, he is a published author after all. If people are interested in his deductions as a skeptic, good for him. I hope they are issue based and not personal.
Despite all the accolades from people who dont understand a "fact-based takedown", something is missing. Let me explain it thing very clearly. -
This form of investigation is primary effective at hurting people, not winning arguements.
It 'defeats' Pulling by making her afraid to venture into the public domain, not from a respectful but logical undermining of her intellectual position. I am not suprised we have not heard much from her since, have you even the remotest idea how much damage this sort of attack does. And no, the ends do not justify the means.
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JediBear
Colonel Posts: 13632 Some days the Bear gets banned.
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Lets continue to keep this civil, rational and non personal.
Not a problem.
'Fact based takedown' is just a spindoctors way of saying mudrake. At the core its still: attack the person, not the issues.
In this case, the qualifications of the person in question was an issue. Pulling's arguments were based soley on her own claimed authority. The most effective and most direct way to undermine such an argument is to expose that authority for the fraud it is.
Also the attack on Pullings credentials were based on Pullings lack of official certification, something we also lack.
I just re-read the Pulling Report yesterday, and Mike spent very little time on Pulling's lack (for much of the time she claimed) of a private investigator's license. Most of it actually focused on her lack of substansive knowledge regarding roleplaying games, the occult, any link between the two, and any link between either and any real-life crime problem.
The fact that there have been cases of young people commiting serious crimes while enacting fantasies directly and clearly influenced by a role playing game.
True. Actually, I have a cousin who is in prison in connection with one.
And so? Is there any evidence of a causal link (or even a statistically significant correlation) between role-playing and homicidal fantasies? No. That's where the "no evidence" part comes in. The "no problem" part comes in when you realise that there isn't even a statistically significant number of violent crimes in which the perpetrator had any meaningful association with roleplaying games.
From the standpoint of science, there's quite literally nothing there.
Hysteria, on the other hand, can suppose anything it would like.
Despite all the accolades from people who dont understand a "fact-based takedown", something is missing. Let me explain it thing very clearly. -
This form of investigation is primary effective at hurting people, not winning arguements.
Exposing villainy is also useful work.
It 'defeats' Pulling by making her afraid to venture into the public domain, not from a respectful but logical undermining of her intellectual position. I am not suprised we have not heard much from her since, have you even the remotest idea how much damage this sort of attack does. And no, the ends do not justify the means.
If the Pulling Report was really that effective, it certainly deserves all of the praise it has recieved, even if it no longer has any topical relevance.
The Pulling Report did NOT attack Pulling's character, but rather the authority she claimed as the basis for her arguments. It was based entirely on her failure to HAVE an intellectual position, or any knowledge or experience to base one on. One of the reasons the Pulling Report may have been so devastating is that it was more than simple name-calling. Its tone was actually quite respectful, and its facts proved out one very important thing: Pat Pulling had no idea what she was talking about.
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Captain Posts: 2788 Avatar by the incredible wombat.
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roosterboy
Demi-Precentor Mu/Psi I Site MaintenancePosts: 16266 He casts no shadow for he IS the shadow.
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It was an intensive fact-based takedown of Pat Pulling, since vanished from the public eye.
Well, according to Wikipedia at least, she's been dead for about 11 years now, so that might explain some of it. |
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JediBear
Colonel Posts: 13632 Some days the Bear gets banned.
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Well, according to Wikipedia at least, she's been dead for about 11 years now, so that might explain some of it.
Sure. And why would I bother to actually look it up?
Thanks for the clarification, roosterboy. Seriously.
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Failure16
Captain Posts: 2138 The Outer Fringe: Where Violence is a Way to Life
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Well, according to Wikipedia at least, she's been dead for about 11 years now...
And thus clearly not an authority on the occult...or else we would have heard from her by now. |
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